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1) STRUCTURE and SYMBOLS. Dante sets up hell on the principle of inverse relationships. Heaven for him was on top of a mountain (of joy), so hell for him is the inverse (a cone of concentric rings, a pit of despair), the worst sinners being at the bottom, the furthest from God's love. The law of hell is symbolic retribution, or contrapasso--as they sinned, so are they punished. Each ring has its own sin and punishment (the contrapasso, which we'll see later), and the sins are further divided into categories:
- Sins of the She-Wolf. Sins of Incontinence, or lack of self-control or restraint--sins of passion, emotion, and self-gratification. These are the first sorts of sins Dante encounters in the Inferno, but it is the last and most vicious of the animals he encounters in the Dark Wood... more on that later.
- Sins of the Lion. Sins of Violence and Ambition. These include sins such as wrath, but also gluttony and sullenness. This is the ring where we get to see what we expect from hell--not a circus ring, but a boxing ring. This is where Jerry Springer-style fighting happens.
- Sins of the Leopard. Sins of Malice and Fraud. These are sins of the intellect, unlike the previous sins, which are of the heart and emotions. Dante puts these further down the Inferno because they involved premeditation and intention, people hurting those they had an intimate relationship with, through betrayal or backstabbing.
Now, Dante (the character, not the author) finds the She-Wolf the most difficult, nay, impossible to pass. Think about what Dante (the author, not the character) was going through; he was suffering the exile from his beloved country and the loss of his love, Beatrice. He was in a depression that kept him from seeing the light of God--no wonder this was the most difficult thing for him to face. There's one more thing to focus on, which connects to this...
2) THE RESPONSE. As Dante moves through the Inferno, his response to the sinners changes. This is the transformative journey motif, and this is the medieval spin on that topic: he achieves his enlightenment (and thereby works out his salvation) as he goes through the journey, not when he reaches the end. Remember the sin he had the most trouble with (She-Wolf)--well, these are the sinners he is the most sympathetic to. Not only does he give them the lightest punishment (Paolo and Francesca, floating together for eternity--aww), BUT he also pities them when he encounters them. He swoons (faints) because he is so overcome by their love and the fright of it all. Talk about a drama queen. By the time he gets down to the bottom, he hates the sinners, and relishes seeing them in torment, and doesn't hesitate to kick a few in the frozen face right before he hops on Satan to climb towards the exit. Change of mind, indeed. Thus, the first part of his journey--the recognition of sin--allows him to put sin in its proper place, so he can be open to redemption and the love of God.
3. THE PARADOX. I left this one un-bolded because it's probably the most touchy, and we won't have time to discuss this much in class. Dante sets up an interesting paradox: he believes the people in hell deserve to be there because they desire to be there (check Canto 3 line 123, and Canto 5 line 8). Hell, and therefore Sin, is what the damned really wish for--it is their actual and deliberate choice, for divine grace is denied to none who wish for it in their hearts. The damned must actively turn from and reject God to be here, so they clamor for their judgment and their punishment. Do we buy this? Here's the second can of worms: according to the sign above hell, God created hell (not the devil), and He created it even before He created man. In other words (or, in Dante's words), loving, merciful God created this terrible place in preparation for people before He created man, knowing that some would suffer the torments for eternity. This is a theological debate that is delicate, and I don't have an answer to it (so I won't be posing any questions about it)--just food for thought.
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Keep these things in mind as we read and prepare to write: Dante's system of justice seems like the "eye-for-an-eye" system of the Old Testament (angry God), as opposed to the unmerited grace of Christ int he New Testament (merciful God). What do we think of his system and set-up of Hell? Also, think of Dante's transformation through his journey; does he qualify as a hero? Remember the shift we're seeing from the Classic (Greek) to the Medieval; would we consider Dante a hero even with the new standards?
QUESTIONS TO CONSIDER/CRITICAL RESPONSE:
1) Do you agree with Dante in how he rates the sinners? He places people who lie further down than people who murder and rape. He's certainly got a point to make, but did he get it right? If so, why do you agree with him? If not, why do you disagree, and how would you place the sinners?
2) What is the worst sin imaginable? Or, what is a sin that's not so bad, but that you'd like to see punished? Imagine that Dante and Virgil are about to enter a new circle of hell. People in this circle have all committed the same sin. Decide what sin they have committed and what this particular circle of hell is like. Also decide what their punishment is (remember, it should fit the crime). Be vivid in your description, like Dante, and include an encounter or conversation he has with someone there. Include the names and labels just like we find in our book. With your write-up, include an illustration!
3) What is your idea of hell? Create and describe a rough sketch of your Inferno. Who would be your guide? What would you encounter in life that gave you a preview of the afterlife (ie, like the three animals Dante encounters)? Which sins would you have the hardest time overcoming, or the most sympathy for? How would your hell be shaped, and how would it function? Who would we find there, and what would be going on? This can be less detailed than #2, but should be a bit more broad to encompass the big picture. Include a sketch on your write-up!
4) What would Dante's Inferno look like today? Take the basic structure of the Inferno, and populate it with people who have lived since Dante's time. You may also include people that are living (as Dante did), though you may want to be cautious about including your "frenemies." Focus your description on the parts of the Inferno that we read in class (Cantos 3, 5, 33, 34) AND the circle you're reading for your group presentation.
STUDENTS: For Response Questions #2-4, use the activity prompt on page 12 of the study guide packet as a template.
ReplyDeleteDante's placement of sinners in Hell is clearly something that was considered from many sides before being set in stone. At first glance, however, it appears that Dante has just put them randomly, or possibly according to what he personally saw as committers of the worst sins. Why are murderers better than people who betray one another? why should a rapist have a lighter punishment than a liar?
ReplyDeleteThe answer lies with premeditation. When you think about it, a murder does not always have to be planned or thought out; it can be out of self-defense of a sudden rage. True, this does no make it any less of a murder, but the intent with which the sin was performed is not as evil. For example: in today's society, manslaughter ("accidental" murder, like hitting someone with your car) is not punished as severely as, say, first degree murder. Why? Our legal system recognizes that the person who committed the first degree murder is more likely to have planned it out and wanted to do this. It is unlikely that the person who committed manslaughter woke up one morning and decided he was going to try and hit people with his car.
That being said, Dante's placement of sinners makes sense. Telling a long, drawn-out lie takes more thought and planning than killing someone in self-defense. Fraud, the eighth circle, is not something you can simply do on a whim, and therefore belongs near the bottom. Lust is only in the second circle because one does not plan to succumb to temptation--it just happens when you get caught up in the moment.
Although Dante's overall layout was right, I feel that the generalizations of the nine Circles of Hell are too broad. Why does Dante place ALL the violent people in the seventh circle? Surely some truly belong there because their violence was premeditated, but others should not be condemned for what they did not plan out. I would layer Hell in a slightly different way than Dante. The top four circles (lust, gluttony, greed, and wrath) would remain the same and house those whose sins were not thought out or planned, like giving in to temptation or getting angry or greedy from time to time. Limbo (originally Circle One) would be in between these four circles and the bottom four and would represent both the lack of thought and the presence of it as a person chooses not to take sides in life. The bottom four circles would be ordered a little differently, with violence near the top, followed by heresy, treason, and fraud at the bottom. These final four circles are closest to the bottom relative to the premeditation required for the sins.
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ReplyDeleteSin: Men who are abusive to children
Punishment: The children are abusive to the men
Entering down yet
Another circle of Hell;
This one loud place where men are sent.
Dante and Virgil pass by
Men who are crying
And everyone is bent wry.
It is these wails they hear
From those who are forced
To do nothing but fear.
For they were abusive
To their once loved children.
For Dante, it is very elusive.
Dante passed one man
In a fetal position crying,
And so his story began.
"I used to be a very loving
Father. I cared so dearly for
My kids, until I started shoving.
They got me so mad
Those little never ending criers;
I could not handle being a dad.
Now I am forced to sit here
And cry, getting abused by them
While I watch them hit me and listen to them cheer."
Dante stares in awe as kids laugh and hit,
Like they are filled with wrath
And invite others to have a go at it.
Men everywhere that the kids chase
cause them to cry in this dark place
Hold everything from a whip to a mace.
Question # 1
ReplyDeleteDante’s placement of sinners is very unique. It obviously took a lot of thinking for him to decide where and why he was going to place each sin. Dante has a point when he places a lie lower down in hell then murder. He is trying to portray that lying is usually done to someone you know and it is done on purpose. Even if you don’t want to lie, most of the times you know you are doing it and you are aware that the lie might hurt someone close to you. Murder on the other had is not always on purpose. It can be an accident or simply an act of defense. Because of this I can understand why Dante would place lying before murder. However, I do not agree with Dante’s position of these sins. Murder and rape are serious sins that can disturb, ruin, or end someone’s life. I think that a lie has a much smaller effect because all though it is probably planned out and you may hurt someone close to you it is much easier to recover from. With murder there is no way of taking back your action. What’s done is done and no matter how much you regret it the victims life is over and the action cannot be undone. When you lie you can always ask for forgiveness and you have a chance to redeem that action. Because of this I do not agree with Dante’s placing of the sins. I would place the sinners based on the severity of their sin and the problems the sins caused for others around them. I think when placing the sins it is important to think of all the people the sin is effecting when it is committed. This should be a factor in determining were the sinners are placed. If I were to place the sinners I would defiantly place people who committed murder and rape lower down in hell then people who told a lie.
The Catholic Church teaches that there are two categories of sin; mortal sin and venial sin. Mortal sin is such a sin that will completely destroy your relation ship with god, while venial sin is a simple lack of judgment that can easily be forgiven with repentance. There are three ways ot categorize a mortal sin which are 1. It must be of a grave matter; 2. It must be committed with full knowledge that it is a mortal sin; 3. It must be committed with full consent. These three things all can be categorized as premeditation. Dante also categorizes sins into a justice system. These two systems have a huge similarity of premeditation. Dante and the church both use premeditation as there deciding factor of the depth of the sin. Dante believe that sin of a loved one or a sin that is premeditate deserves a harsher punishment than someone who commits a random murder or spare of the moment rapes someone. I agree with Dante’s contrapasso of hell because premeditation is key. If someone has been careful planning and carefully thought out how to hurt someone, it is worse than a random murder. The premeditated act is worse due to the simple fact that it was premeditated. If someone is premeditating it shows that they have carefully planned and detailed how to execute this sin. Opposed to a random act that is usually out of a spurt of rage. It is very understandable of Dante’s reasoning for placing each sin as he did. If I were to create my own depiction of hell, I would do it similar to that of which is envisioned by Dante. On the bottom level I would have premeditated acts and on the top I would have accidental sins or sins that were not thought out.
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Question #1
ReplyDeleteEveryone has their own opinions. The way Dante placed liars and betrayers further down than murderers is disagreeable to me, and probably many other people. his placement of the sinners could have been because of his own beliefs or experiences. A couple of reasons why I believe that murderers should be at the bottom is first, when you murder someone, you are doing a physical action which kills them. However, when you lie or turn away from someone, it's not as severe and most of the time it won't kill the victim. The only way they could die from this is by suiciding. Second, when you lie or betray someone, it is possible to fix the problem. You can apologize to the person and just talk to them hoping that they will forgive you. When you murder someone, it's basically impossible. And third, I believe the laws today are reasonable and I abide with them on how murderers are sent to jail. Lying to and turning away from people you have a relationship to is your own personal problem and you can decide on what you want to do.
Question 1
ReplyDeleteEveryone has their own opinions. The way Dante placed liars and and betrayers further down than murderers is disagreeable to me, and probably many other people. His placement of the sinners could have been because of his own beliefs or experiences. A couple of reasons why I believe that murderers should be at the bottom are first, when you murder someone, you are doing physical damage which kills them. However, when you lie or turn away from someone, it's not as severe and most of the time it won't kill the victim. The only way they could die from this is by committing suicide. Second, when you lie or betray someone,it is possible to fix the problem. You can apologize to the person and just talk to them hoping that they will forgive you. When you murder someone, it's basically impossible to fix. And third, I believe the laws today are reasonable and I abide by them on how murderers are sent to jail. Lying to and turning away from people you have a relationship to is your own personal problem and you can decide on what you want to do.
Question # 1
ReplyDeleteJust to imagine actually placing different sinners in different categories in the worst possible place in the entire universe is hard to imagine. Dante must have put much thought into his different placements of sinners. I do not agree with some of the placements that he made in the Inferno but for the most part I would’ve laid it out in a similar way. Genocide is one of the cruelest ways in taking a life and I believe rape is almost just as bad. I’ve never actually sat down and put a lot of thought into Hell; what it’s like or who goes there. I believe that there is a Hell and that people will pay for their sins in hell but it’s hard to believe such a loving and forgiving God would make such an evil place especially before man even existed on Earth. I understand that people make mistakes but they should be forgiven from such a merciless God no matter what the sin. It says in the Bible he is the most powerful and most forgiving God so if this is a true, humans should continue to ask for forgiveness so that they will be able to rest peacefully and let their souls eternally live everlasting. The difference between telling a lie and a murder is the death of someone. Just because you don’t physically kill them doesn’t mean that you haven’t. You can break someone mentally down to the point of explosion where they eventually can’t take it anymore and think the benefit will be better if they die. Death is very intense subject and can be objected in many different ways. Dante makes it clear that basically for the sin that has been convicted a series of punishments will soon take place. His contrapasso system worked pretty well and I would only make a few changes to it if I had to. When placing the people within each circle of Hell based on the crime/sin they have committed, it’s very important to look not just if they committed murder but how it was done and to what extent it was done to.
Dante places sinners in “his” hell in interesting way that I find clever and interesting; however I would not arrange it in this way. If I were to arrange hell I think it would be similar but not exactly like Dante’s. The main difference in mine would be intention. I believe that for a sin to be the worst it can be their must be a premeditated intention behind it. If one lies and has been planning to lie for a very long time, in my opinion, that is worse than someone who lies on the spot because they were afraid to tell the truth. When one has been planning to do something terrible it means to me, that they are too afraid to come up with a better plan that could do good instead of evil. Doing this may mean going out of their comfort zone or potentially failing, but they are too proud to fail, so they plan to do evil because they know it will work, because it is easier.
ReplyDeleteIn my hell it would be arranged by sin, but there would be an area in the category for people that had planned to sin and ones that had unintentionally sinned but made no effort to correct it after. If someone commits a sin accidentally or without having planned it, I believe that if they try to correct it then they are reconciled. However if the sinner made no effort to correct it, then they have no right to be forgiven for their sin because they may believe that it was okay to sin.
I believe that Dante’s logic in his organization of hell was brilliant, but I do not agree with all of it and would change the things listed above in my version of hell.
When you look the placement of sinners from the victim’s point of view, it could seem that the placements were somewhat backward. But, looking at it from a different perspective, the sinner’s perspective can put a clear spin on why Dante placed them the way he did. I think that what he was trying to get across what the effect that the sins had on the sinners, not the victims. With that being said, his placement seems to make sense, some murders are on accident and not intended to hurt the person, so the sinner feels remorse for the person that they killed. With rapists, they don’t feel remorse for what they did, which is why I think they should be placed much more toward the bottom. They got pleasure out of making someone else’s life miserable, and end up going to hell and not getting a severe punishment. I don’t think that’s fair to the victim. If I could rearrange the Inferno, I would place rapists at the bottom, along with first-degree murders. Un-intended murders would be in the limbo, along with people who weren’t baptized, because technically, it wasn’t their fault they can’t go to heaven.
ReplyDeleteDante’s views and opinions on the sinners of Hell are based off of his knowledge and personal experiences. He places liars at a lower level of Hell than murders. I believe he does this because he may be angrier with liars because he experiences them more often than murders. He thinks that because liars are more abundant then murders in the human population, therefore lairs deserve a more severe punishment. We experience lying everyday, every human carries the trait to lie and every human encompasses the trait of lying in their everyday life. When Dante was living, the ratio of liars to murders was very high. Because he experienced liars on an occurring basis he believed that liars deserve a hasher punishment than those who murder. Lying is a very abundant sin in the human make-up, and is committed by a majority of the population, because of this Dante places the liars in a lower level of Hell. In doing this Dante also had another motive, to try and make more people to refrain from committing this sin. To Dante murders were not as common, and he did not consider them to deserve as severe of a punishment as a liar. I understand Dante’s reasoning behind his decision, but I do not agree with it. I think that the severity of committing murder is much more drastic and worse than the act of lying. Murder is permanent, a complete distortion of the soul, and is drastic to everyone affected by the murder. Lying is forgivable and may have a negative effect on the situation for a short time, but murder is a life changing event and can never be taken back. There is not second chance, it is an unchangeable event, and one can feel guilt and pain for their wrong doings, but can never be forgiven. They belong in the lower levels of hell and liars belong in the first four levels. I think that liars should not suffer as severe of a punishment as murders, the reason being that murders also encompass lying which is evident in their actions. Murdering is not only an action; there are thoughts and emotions involved as well. In which case makes it a much more severe and despicable sin to commit than lying.
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Question #2 on Dante’s Inferno
ReplyDeleteThe worst sin imaginable in my opinion would be Adultery. Adultery is a sin where you only think about yourself and not about other people that care about you. Adultery can ruin relationships as is also known as one of the worst sins. I think it needs its own circle because it is a very serious sin that ruins peoples lives. The new circle of hell I Created was for people that commit Adultery. The circle entraps them their own baron desert. They have no contact with anyone. They are isolated for the rest of eternity in a pale pit of despair. The person Dante and Virgil meet is Queen Gorgo. She is the queen of King Leonidus of Sparta. She betrayed her husband and commited adultery so he could get a vote from the clergy to send more troops. Although it was a nice thing it was very wrong to do.